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Akm295
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18/11/2019 10:21 am  

So I was scrolling though Reddit and noticed a lot of hate on BUIS, especially those that are covered up by the eyepiece of a scope. The prevailing thought on keeping BUIS primarily seems to be related to the in field failure of an optic. The other prevailing thought (ala InRange's WWSD Project) is that they are wholly unnecessary given the reliability of modern optics.

My $.02 on keeping them around doesn't seem to come up much. I simply prefer to always have a ready to go sighting system on my rifle. I've never wanted to be in a situation where if I changed out an optic or tinker with a scope that the rifle would essentially be down until I could rezero at the range. With BUIS the rifle is always ready even of my preferred optic isn't. My decision to keep them is driven by piece of mind that doesn't cost much or add much weight to the rifle.

Just some food for thought.


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18/11/2019 11:15 am  

Currently BUIS is the only sights on my rifle due to optical sight/mount failure. I used them for one 2-gun competition where they worked great. They did what they needed to do. Some other competitors made comments about me using iron sights and everyone else using optics. I hit the 6 inch steel at 150 yards in one shot. So, in my opinion they are worth keeping.

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19/11/2019 7:29 pm  

Every single trainer I spent time with had them. Every single one of them trained with redundancies too. I will probably never need them, but I'm happy I have them. Maybe it's just feel good mojo, but at the cost of a few ounces I get another complete sighting system. I also prefer a fixed front sight. Some folks complain about it and I thought it would bother me at first, but after that first time under a little pressure I naturally focused on the target and everything fell into place. It doesn't interfere with my 1-8 optic at any power and it certainly doesn't bother me with a red dot.

Also, I really like setting up my irons and using them to co-witness a red dot when sighting the red dot in. It saves ammo for sure.


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19/11/2019 9:59 pm  

I look at it as an added capability. Given the choice, I would always prefer to have backups available for "just in case." But I'm also not tore up about it if I have to remove them to get proper eye relief on a particular optic, like my Elcan or a 4x ACOG. Both of those have to get mounted far enough on the top rail that a BUIS isn't going to work out, at least not a traditional one.

I'm also with Mark in that I've come to prefer fixed front sight bases that are taper pinned to the barrel.

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20/11/2019 11:20 am  

One other point, the chances of needing back up sights is astronomically higher than needing to use the stupid forward assist on an AR.

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25/11/2019 1:57 pm  

I personally find them to be unnecessary.  I think they have a place as a way to ensure a mount hasn't failed, or give a rough zero to an optic you don't have time to properly zero.

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03/12/2019 9:28 am  

I like having BUIS and don't consider a new purchase complete until it has them.

Modern optics are more robust than they've ever been but... I just had a 10 year old ACOG suddenly fog up on the inside.  On the only rifle I had that didn't have BUIS.  That rifle has no sights at all now, until the scope comes back.  It would have been nice to have spent the extra $100 and at least have put some plastic Magpul BUIS on there.

I like having BUIS but understand that not everyone does.

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03/12/2019 10:01 am  

Here's my philosophy: things can break, battle damage happens, sights help you engage and optics help you identify.  I don't often swap optics around my rifles, but I've been known to change mounts.  Nor can I afford to put optics on every single weapon that requires one.  Since I get to the range so infrequently these days (having a toddler can do that), I need a built in redundancy, which means retaining BUIS to keep at least one weapon employable (I've been known to have multiple weapons requiring a re-zero since I messed with all of their optics).

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