So yeah...I just pulled that pin and rolled that grenade into the forum.
Let the debate begin.
"Man is still the first weapon of war" - Field Marshal Montgomery
The only time a .45 is better than a 9mm is if you live in a capacity-limited state. If you can only hold 10 rounds, then you might as well get just a smidge more out of them. Of course, at that point I'd look into carrying an 8-shot .357, and for the same reason.
"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement"
"Find one you can afford, that you can afford to practice with, and that fits your hand and carry style. The rest is unimportant." I think you just won this conversation with this statement. Bravo sir!
Well I've learned a lot reading here so far.
I've never considered a limit on ammo capacity before, living here in MO.
I've always been a 9mm guy and for a multitude of reasons. Primarily, its cost and capacity. Secondarily, recoil and availability of ammo types.
Then there's the fact that I've never had to draw on someone, let a lone shoot them. All the ballistics gel in the world don't add up to forming an opinion of terminal performance on a live opponent intent on doing you harm. But one thing that I have experienced in training is that I require a smaller frame firearm that a double stack .45 just can't offer me. I can't make critical shots with a beefy pistol very well.
Good is good enough for me and for everyone rockin' something else, carry on. I wouldn't tell you what color of underwear to don either.
In the words of a number of the Army Warrant Officers I've worked with:
We're not really going to do that, are we?
Internet reputations may be one thing, but cold hard data is another.
I don't mind doing the debate, but is there really a debate anymore? Perhaps if we were talking only FMJ this might be worth doing, but with modern handgun technology in JHP there is no reason to get .45 anymore. With 2 pistols of the same size you have lighter weight & greater capacity in 9mm. In gel penetration test (like this one https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/ ) they have shown that you get similar penetration & expansion with 9mm vs. .45.
The only time I see myself using .45 hardball anymore is in a 1911, a weapon system that is designed for it. Short of that it provides no real advantages. Its heavier, bigger, more expensive, and you get less capacity vs. a 9mm.
9 mm for the win here.
For me, 9mm - no question. Cheaper ammo, higher capacity, and I can run the gun a bit faster.
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